What is the real meaning of "Hacking" to you? Ask yourself, what is the real meaning of hacking. To most people it may be getting online connecting to a distro site and downloading some 0day. If that is what you think it is you are wrong. You would be called a software pirate. The real hackers are the old schoolers from the late 80's and early 90's. The phreakers and the others who had the balls to break the law such as wire fruad and breaking and entering. Now the only ones that I see are the people that exploit web pages. This is basically where a person will get "root" access to a company that runs an ISP or other business with security levels. I do not consider myself to be a hacker but just a small time software pirate. I am really sick and tired of people at my school and stupid fucks over the internet claiming to be hackers. They are just wanna-be lameass posers that need to be exterminated. Now newbies are alright as long as they don't get cocky. If you want to see some examples of what i am talking about "exploited web pages" go to http://www.hacked.net and you will see what I am talking about. I am going to talk mainly about "exploit" groups such as LOU (Lords of the Underground), Claire Danes, No|D, and other small time exploit groups. Some "exploiters" go and hack into companies alone and do it to tell the system administrator they need to update their security which usually works. If the admninistrator doesn't get the hint they will hack it and change it on a daily basis. You wanna see the best damn exploiter I have ever seen? optiklenz from LOU. You are the coolest and I hope you read this. _|_| _|_|_| _|_|_|_|_| _|_|_| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _|_|_| _| _| _|_| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _|_| _| _| _|_|_| _| _| _| _|_|_|_| _| _| _|_|_|_|_| _| _| _|_| _| _| _| _|_|_| _| _| _| _| _| _| _| _|_| _| _|_|_|_| _|_|_|_| _| _| _|_|_|_|_| Check his latest exploit out at http://www.hacked.net/exp/org/hartnet/012598.html Optik was busted recently and it is sad to see him go. That is my greet to you. I appreciate what Lord Death did for me over Christmas Break. I gave him access to my shell acct. and what does he give me? He gives me root to my ISP and now I have the same amount of access as the person that owns my ISP =) thank you Lord Death. If I had the knowledge to do this I would probably abuse it or get caught. Knowledge is power if it is used correctly. Greets go out to all of the REV members and the whole warez scene. Star, I hope you feel better and find someone else. PU69Y